I have been working on right and left circles for about a month now and slowly trying to leave out the hand motion. My question is when the dog makes a mistake and turns the wrong direction what do you do? Thanks!
Hi Brenda, I usually repeat my cue once to. If they still don’t get it right, I help with my hand cue. It takes a while until they understand it on verbal cue alone. Make sure to always give your verbal cue, before helping with your hand. Also, you can try to jackpot the attempts when your dog turns on the verbal cue alone, while only rewarding the ones where you need to help with one cookie.
Here’s our first attempt at left and right. Doby is not quite 10 months old. We will continue working on this and post other videos as he starts to “get” it.
Good job on your first attempt! I really like how you clearly say the verbal first, before helping Doby.
However, make sure to use your left and right from the dog’s perspective, so when he is in front of you and you use your right hand, it is a left turns for him and vice versa. So switch your verbals 😉 It will get less confusing when he is next to you.
Here’s our 2nd attempt. I think I got the verbals correct this time. 😉
Hi Lori, good job on the verbals 😀
Make sure to say your verbal first, before you even start to move your hand. Other than that, it looks great! Keeping working on it 🙂
Of course, I have the verbals wrong! Poor dog! 😉
Here is our first video! This is Kit. He is 7 months old. We worked on the spin a little bit about 3 months ago, but just played with it a bit. I had to back up a bit when we started on Tues. because he was biting at my hand as I turned him around the circle. But he is doing a bit better now – occasionally though he tries it again….
Hi Sandy, very nice progression in this little session! You mostly did great with the short delay between your verbal and your hand lure, especially in the second half of the video. Try to jackpot the ones were he is almost turning without the help. You did make your voice a little more enthusiastic, but you can also pay more for those tries 😉
If he is doing so well in the next session, leave out the hand altogether every few tries to see if he can do it on the verbal alone yet.
Thanks Anna. Will work on making it more obvious to him when he does a good one!
Here is our first video. I’m using one for left & two for right.
This looks very good, especially the “one”. Great job on waiting your dog out before helping. Spent a few more sessions like this until you have the discrimination down. Very good work 🙂
This is our first session. Latte had more trouble turning right.
I love how you praise her extra for the better attempts! It is not uncommon for dogs to have a side to which they like to turn more than the other. I would work about 70% right turns and 30% left turns. Also, I would focus on one direction per session for the start. That way she will gain confidence to turn in that direction sooner, as that will be the only behavior you reward during that session 🙂
You are doing well with giving the verbal first and cueing the turn after.
Hi Anna, here’s our latest turn work. I think Latte’s right turn is much improved! Thanks for the advice above. She’s starting to respond to my verbal only for both turns! Do you think she should be doing turns on a verbal cue only before we move to the Four Scenarios?
Hi Julia, oh my, right turns are looking so much better! I would like to see both directions with less help before we move on to the 4 scenarios, especially if you are aiming for complete verbal understanding. It pays off to spend a little more time on this step, it will make everything that follows easier. I would like to try a few things to see if we can encourage a little more initiative on her part: 1. Time of training: Try to pick a time for your training when she is naturally a little more active. Maybe when… Read more »
Anna, I’m so excited! Thank you for your suggestions above. For the first time, Latte offered a right spin. Then she did it several times on a verbal only! I followed your advice & chose to train this in the morning & she was eager to go outside to run around with my other BC. Usually, she loves to tug, but she was really distracted. Good test of what she finds of value! Now she spins more readily on the right than the left. LOL We’ll focus more on left now. 🙂
Yay, good job, Julia! She looks much more active and engaged even with the little moment of distraction. Keep working on it until she can offer both directions on the verbal.
Yay! Today, Latte did her very first left spins on a verbal alone! Poor girlie had just woken up for the first one, so it’s slow. We played a little tug before the second one. That one was faster & tail waggier. From now on, we’ll train outside & in larger spaces indoors. I think my kitchen is too small & my other dogs distract her. That’s fine for proofing later, but not while she’s still learning. During the first session, when she offered right & down, should I have helped her with a repeated verbal left cue? Or done… Read more »
Hi Julia, second session was so much better! Yay Latte!
If you see her getting stuck on a wrong behavior, I would help. If she offers the wrong behavior, make sure she gets it right the next time, so that she doesn’t get too frustrated. Keep things simple and exciting for her 🙂
Hi Anna! I feel like we’re so close to graduating to the next step! Hoping you can glean something from our training session today to help me be as good a trainer as possible for Latte. You can tell that she really prefers her Jolly Ball over hot dogs!
Hi Julia, I agree, you are *almost* there! Good job! I noticed a couple things in this session: The second part with the toy was much better! You can switch her to rewarding with the toy completely if you like 🙂 If you need to help her, be sure to do so with your empty hand, not with the toy hand. Also, make sure to say your verbal first, before helping. It looks like she is pretty excited when you throw the toy. I think you should use that to your advantage and throw it for turns on verbal alone.… Read more »
Hi Anna, thank you for the suggestions. I’m pleased with her speed & how operant she is with the spins. But to be honest, I’m frustrated. I’m concerned we’ll spend the length of the class on this & never move on to the other units. What am I missing? TIA
Hi Julia, you are welcome to move on to the other units, especially since she does understand the behavior on verbals only, even if she is not 100% certain in the discrimination yet. Mastering the discrimination takes a lot of repetitions, but you will get those in when working on the other exercises as well. The main part of this first exercise is really to get rid of the hand lure, and she looks pretty good in that regard.
See you in the next unit 🙂
Awesome, thank you, Anna! We started Four Scenarios today. Will post video nice we’ve worked on it a bit. ?
Before I registered for this course I’d done a bit of work on getting Lulu to understand left and right spins when she is facing me. I always had to help her a bit with my hand. Tonight I tried to minimize helping her with my hand and she did better than I thought she would :).
Hi Sylvie, awesome session! Not too many errors on her part. On some attempts I could tell she was thinking about it 🙂 Brilliant work, I would spent another couple sessions on this before moving on to the next unit in which she will be turning next to you.
Here is some more video of Lulu doing Left & Right while facing me. She is getting pretty good at it and doesn’t have a lot of errors.
Hi Sylvie, looking very good! I think it is time to move on to the next unit, in which she will be turning at your side.
This is my first attempt at the work flow you helped me with in how to post. Excited to see if it worked. Footage of Fiesta working left and right homework.
Yay Heide and Fiesta, posting video works!
Verbals look GREAT too. No physical help from you needed, good job!
Fiesta is ready for the next unit, where she will be turning at your side.
I introduced L & R spins to Belle last Tuesday. We’ve worked a couple short sessions daily. So far, here’s our progress:
Hi Julia, turns are looking very good already! Make sure to jackpot the tries in which you don’t need physical cues to help her. If the next couple session go equally well, see if you can mix the two directions in one session.
I’ve been jackpotting the verbal only cued spins plus mixing L & R’s in each session. Here’s our progress:
Hi Julia, looking good! See if you can wait a little bit longer before bringing down your hand with the cookie, so that she turns more by herself before being rewarded. You can click the initial head turn if you like, but try to reward when the turn is mostly complete.
As suggested, I’ve been waiting for the complete turn before dropping hand to treat but also giving a ‘yes’ to praise the head turn. Belle’s answer to this seemingly slight change has been to spin in different directions, bark and offer other trick behaviors. Lol!
I’ve been slowing down the pace of our short training sessions to encourage thinking rather than guessing. I believe she’s now getting the idea and will post progress video in the next day or so.
Sounds good, looking forward to video 🙂
Here’s video from today’s practice session. I’ve been trying to cue L & R only with a verbal. The video review has been helpful to catch and correct unintended physical cues. Earlier we had some guessing but in our most recent practice sessions accuracy has increased to 90-100%.
Hi Julia, good to see you are still working on it 🙂 Belle looks great, I think it is time to try these turns with her next to you in the next unit 😀
I have a question before I post video. We have been working….just not ready to post yet (and I had an out of town agility trial over the weekend, so I am playing catch up at home and in life!). Question: when training, do you want us to do 3-4 in one direction? And then maybe a little play break with tug, and 3-4 in the other direction? That is how I have been practicing to introduce the concept; not alternating “left” & “right” yet. I think that’s what you want, but just needed to check with you.
Hi Kathy, it really depends how well the behavior is trained. In the beginning I focus several attempts or even a whole session on one direction, take a break, and then focus on the other direction. Once your dog is more confident in the behavior, you can start to make the intervals on each direction shorter, until you mix them up.
Looking forward to your first video!
I didn’t have a chance to read every comment before filming, but I know I need to keep my hand lower to prevent jumping up. He’s the wrong height for me when I’m standing! I have to bend over in an awkward way.
Hi Kathy, not too much jumping, so don’t worry about bending over too much. You are doing really well with saying your verbal first and helping him after that. However, try to remove your hand after delivering the treat. Don’t have him docked on to your cookie hand while you say your next verbal, or he won’t be able to process it so well.
So the process should be verbal – help with hand – feet from hand – remove hand – new verbal – and so on.
Been working on this but while I can get spins in either direction its totally due to hand motion — I just don’t think he listens to the verbals. Getting frustrated…
Hi Dina, Here are a few things you want to make sure to speed up the understanding: – Always use your verbal cue first, before starting your hand motion. If you say your verbal while using your hand lure, your dog will only pay attention to your body language. – Try to minimize your hand motion before fading it completely. Go from showing a full circle to showing a smaller circle to just indicating the direction with your finger. – If you get a turn on less hand motion then previously, make sure to really jackpot those ones with more… Read more »
I have been working with Mulder on his left and right circles. He still isn’t doing it by the verbal alone but we will keep practicing.
I love how much fun Mulder is having 🙂
See if you can hold your hands a bit lower, so that he doesn’t jump up quite so much. Also, every few tries, see if you can get away with cueing the turn a little less obvious (using a slighter indication of the direction).
Please excuse the Harry Potter pants.
Hi Anna! Here is Enzo’s first video! We’ve been practicing since you left and I think he’s got it down pretty well!
Hi Elise, good to hear you’ve been practicing! For some reason the video link doesn’t work. Can you double check if it is correct?
Hi Anna! It is working when I click on it. What if you cut and paste the link? I’m sorry for the hassle. It took us about an hour to figure out how to upload a video yesterday.
Checking in – make sure the URL is set to ‘unlisted’ and not ‘private’ 😉
OK; I changed the setting to “public”:
Perfect, I was able to see the video and must say, Enzo’s left & right is looking SO GOOD! You already did the next unit and you are ready to move on to the turning around objects. Great discrimination on both sides of you!
Just a note on uploading the video: Next time, set it to ‘unlisted’, that way everyone who has the link can watch it, but it is not publicly available.
Try it again?
changed the setting…
Yep. Unlisted is better than public 🙂 Also, the URL has to be on a line by itself in the comments to automatically pop up as a video 🙂
Mulder and I have been working hard on his right and left spins. He seems to have finally gotten the right pretty good on command (just in the past two days). The left is almost there. He is really silly practicing. He likes to offer other behaviors as well.
Oh my, Lori, how cute he is when offering the turns! I don’t mind the silliness, in fact I love his enthusiasm! He is definitely getting there with both directions. Just make sure that you give your verbal first, before giving your physical cue. Good job on the jackpot in this session!
Hi Anna, here is Dream doing spins… I am using Left and Right as a cue. She cannot do the spins only on verbals yet but we are working on it ? One question – if I use Left and Right to cue spins can I also use the same verbals later to cue left and right over jumps later? cheers, sharon
Hi Sharon, great start! Yes, the verbals you are using now will be the same ones you use later over the jumps.
Be careful to always say your verbal cue first and then help her with your hand. Otherwise she will only pay attention to your hand and not listen for the cue, as dogs are learning more visually than audibly. You want your verbal cue to predict then hand gesture, so it need to be said before your hand starts moving. That way she will learn it much faster 😉
This was our first session.
Very nice turns! Now make the hand signals less and less obvious, so that he will start to turn on the verbal cue only. Fading out the hand lure completely typically takes quite a bit of repetition 🙂