Here is our heeling, right side is not as strong
Congrats @Stefanie – you’re the first to leave a comment!! This is fine; it doesn’t need to be strict obedience heeling, just that the dog stays loosely at your side and isn’t popping to the front of you, or cutting behind you. This looks pretty good actually! I’m also jealous of your grass, it looks so…green 🙂 Anyway, I think this looks good – if you want straighter heeling, simply reward in heel position more often. This isn’t something I go out to the training area to purposefully do; rather, it happens out on walks, and whenever we’re just milling… Read more »
He will heel much better on leash and with food, but trying to increase the fun in his training these days (he seemed to be getting flat) and use more toys and play
yes, this should be FUN, not drudgery! OK, time to move to the next unit!
Obviously we are not very polished at heeling. ? Room for improvement!
Great job here @Patty O'Bleness – sure, room for improvement but this is a great start and it’s not obedience anyway 😉 Just the idea that your pup can be beside you instead of constantly wanting to cut in front of you is good!
Page 138 in the Before You Begin says the dogs should already be performing tunnels. Noni hasn’t done tunnels yet. At what point will we need them? And also from that page it looks like we’re working stationary heel positions on both sides, not heeling in motion?
You won’t need them for a couple of weeks yet 🙂 As for heeling, being ‘in heel position’ as well as being able to loosely walk alongside you in heel position is desirable 🙂
Hi Daisy – I haven’t done any heeling work with Mooky yet. For some reason, he’s a bit better off my right than left. We have, however, done a lot of eye contact and focus, which I believe is one of the reasons why he likes to be ahead and forging a bit.
Yes, it’s important not to overdo the eye contact/focus stuff, especially if you’ve got a dog who is already a ‘looker’. In my experience a great many border collies are already pretty interested in staring at us and at our faces, so giving lots of reward in heel position is important. Otherwise, they just circle to where most of their treats come from; in front of us. Even in this video, you can see you’re giving treats ONLY in front and NEVER in heel position; something to be aware of from the get-go 🙂
Hey Daisy – how do we edit a comment? I uploaded the wrong video. If you can, please delete my previous comment as well as this one & I will resubmit. Thanks – Margo
Hi there! You should be able to edit; your first comments need to be approved by me (and now are). Please try again and see if you can edit 🙂
Hi – Here is Tillie –
@ctan07 this is great! Do you know that you’re also working on a front cross on the flat here? All of this ‘noodling’ around counts as ‘handling’ in my opinion 🙂 The key here is to make sure that we’re aware of how much we reward in FRONT, and make sure to balance it out by also rewarding a lot in heel position on BOTH sides 🙂
Very cute pup 🙂
I’ve not done any foundation work with Mooky, including heeling, so this is our very first attempt ever. 🙂
Glad you’re here @Margo Fournier 🙂 Man your yard looks gorgeous right now. Mine is just crispy brown. Ok on to the important stuff, the heelwork 🙂 He’s doing pretty well here for first attempts, particularly since he’s had years of circling to your front, probably 🙂 At 0:57 he’s swinging around to front; it’s just a matter of history of reinforcement really, but you do a great job of taking the arousal level down a notch, letting him think about it and sort of OFFER to be in heel position, and then, continued. When you’re in the house, say,… Read more »
Ah well – pretty sure you don’t want my water bill. Very happy how this project turned out. This video was taken right after the mowing. I will from now on, only reward BOTH dogs at my side. Mooky wants to herd, come to front, look at me directly instead of indirectly, so this will take a lot of practice and shaping. I threw a ball for him for about 20 minutes to take the edge off (LOL) not that it helped much. Thanks for figuring out a work around.
No problem! OK, you can move on and mark this as completed, but keep working on it 🙂
Hello, we have only worked on this a few times as I was out of town until this weekend. This is heavily lured as it is so new. She does equally on both sides but I only show one here as the video editing was more than I could handle before work today. 🙂 Thanks! 🙂
Hi there @agilitymalinois – this is actually totally fine! It doesn’t need to be a formal tight obedience heel – loose heeling is fine since that’s what will be more likely to approximate what happens on course anyway. Just as long as you’re doing it on both sides and DOING IT – you’re fine 🙂 You’re just trying to balance out all the treats you give in the front of you 🙂
Hi Daisy, are you saying I am giving the treats too far forward? I understand the importance of position of reward and want to make sure I am doing right!
Not too far forward, but it’s pretty natural to give a lot of treats where you and the dog are facing one another rather than side by side – tricks, casual treats…most of those are given facing the dog, and it adds up to a history of reinforcement in front. In Agility we don’t usually want the dogs running AT us, rather, we want them running in the same direction as us! 🙂
Heeling; Snow is mastering it quite well as long as they’re is no squirrel, cats or other animals. Dogs and humans, he’s OK with and won’t leave my side.
You’re off to a good start – you can definitely work UP to more distraction!
I’m back! Here is our heeling video. Left side is definitely weak (and crooked).
@Daisy Peel I just wanted to make sure you see this so I can move on 🙂
@Shelby the video doesn’t exist or has an error 🙁 Can you check the URL?
Oops, I had the privacy settings set TOO tight, so it worked for me but nobody else 🙂 fixed now.
@Daisy Peel I fixed it now 🙂 looking forward to your feedback so I can mark this lesson as complete and move on!
@Shelby Thanks for updating the video! Thanks for your patience with me getting to the review; I relamped my whole arena yesterday, moving from fluorescent to LED. Know anybody who wants some 8′ T12 fluorescent fixtures and bulbs? 🙂
In any case on to the important stuff; your heeling! Moss seems perfectly comfortable in heel position when you’re both still, how is he when you’re moving? You can move on, no need to stay at this lesson, but you’re welcome to post another video clip of heeling in motion 🙂
Here is Kit’s heel work. He is young and I’m pretty much luring him with treats at this point See what you think.
This heeling can totally be luring. Don’t overcomplicate it 🙂 We’re just trying to reward dogs for being in heel position, and to compensate for the thousands of treats they get when they’re facing us, while we’re doing other training. I think this is FINE. Just remember to keep it up so that you’ve got a nice balance of getting rewarded in heel position AND in front of you 🙂 Easy peasy! Excellent work.
Here’s a heel positions video. We’ve been on a training hiatus for a few months and it shows. Trying to remember that we know how to line up on both sides is pretty high on our must-do list. But, here goes.
Hi Daisy, Is it OK to go ahead to the next videos?
Yes, no problem; I am working through video reviews now 🙂
Hi there @Wendie"Schneider" – thanks for your patience! This looks fine – it’s not obedience so perfection is not necessary. Really, you just want to remember to give plenty of treats in heel position throughout the dog’s life, so that they’re rewarded just as much in heel position as they are for facing you – we all tend to give a LOT of cookies while facing our dogs, so making sure that they’re rewarded at our sides moving in the same direction as we are is important for agility!!! Time to move forward in the lessons BUT don’t leave this… Read more »
Reposting for @Alisa Healy since I changed her username 🙂
Here is a video with both dogs. I dont have a fenced or flat yard so i did in in our basement. With big dogs, it doesnt take many steps to get from one end to the other, but I still think you can see their skill with heel position.
@Alisa Healy Yes, this is fine – we just want to make sure that our dogs are comfortable at our sides and are getting cookies at our sides, and not just in front of us. A lot of dogs will circle toward the front of their handler, and it’s primarily because they’ve gotten so much reinforcement in that front facing location 🙂 This looks fine! 🙂
Great! I hardly ever reward my dogs for being in front of me so there’s not much reinforcement history there. I reward often on walks for being in either side of me in a loose heel position so they are comfortable being by my side 🙂
Not certain if I shared our heeling video link properly
Thank you ~ Jill & Zipper
@firstname.lastname@example.org you’ve got the URL inserted correctly BUT check your permissions I think it is still set to private 🙁 Getting closer!!
(not sure if I’ve tagged the right person… @Sasha maybe?)
I’ve updated the settings, you should have access tot he video now.
Thank you, Jill & Zipper
@Sasha Thanks for posting the updated URL! Watching it now, your pup is so cute 🙂 This is great. There’s one point at 0:20s where your dog sits and isn’t in heel position, but more toward your front, and gets rewarded. That is precisely why attention should be paid to being rewarded in heel position; we tend to reward a LOT at our front, rather than at our side. So, it’s worthwhile to do just what you’re doing here, reward for heel position. And, it doesn’t even need to be a tight, beautiful obedience heel. What you’re doing here is… Read more »