Hi @Daisy Peel, may I ask for some help with this drill, please? According to the description and picture in the pdf I would have executed this exercise just like you did. So I am a bit confused about Linda’s comment concerning the importance of the correct positioning of your feet. What exactly does that mean, feet facing “forward”? I can’t really tell from the video but I assume, your feet were in parallel to jump #3. Should they rather be facing TOWARDS #3 whilst your shoulders are still facing the dog (i.e. facing #2)? From the picture in the… Read more »
@Sabine no problem. What she’s saying is that I should have been able to keep my feet forward and just rotate my shoulders and use my outside (left) arm to cue collection here, without turning my whole BODY toward the dog. So yes, my feet should be forward, shoulders back toward the dog. And, I shouldn’t have stayed next to the jump for so long (look at the PDF diagram for the timing). Does that help?
Thank you, Daisy, this helps a lot! So you delay the rotation of the feet until after the dog has commited to #3 and you have bypassed #4? This makes sense, but now I’m really confused about the ‘only a few degrees of rotation to your left’ though 🙂 To complete the FC I HAVE to rotate mmy feet about 270 degree after cueing #3 if I’m not supposed to start that rotation earlier …. I think I really have to try it out and submit the video for further feedback to fully understand this drill. Thank you for taking… Read more »
I think that what I did was cue too MUCH collection. I was right up there on top of the jump, standing still for TOO long, facing my dog TOO much. And the comment should say a few degrees of rotation to the RIGHT, I believe…does that make more sense?
Thank you @Daisy Peel, I think now I understood. Sorry for being so confused 😉
So this is our video of this drill. I only did one trial for you to comment, to see if I got it right this time 🙂
@Sabine missed this!! You’re a little too far forward I think, and that sends Dizzy a little too far forward. You can cue collection from a location around the middle of the bar or even the right wing of the jump. Feet forward, but shoulders/outside arm back 🙂
Pretty sure I’m going to be guilty of cueing too much collection too! Too long facing my dog.
@Sandra Haigler On the first one, maybe, your dog took a little look at the off course jump, I think because you hadn’t moved on soon enough. But honestly, *I* think these look good. You can probably keep moving a bit more instead of standing still – get your feet rotated forward earlier even as your shoulders stay rotated back (that’s what I was not able to do in my own demo). So, yes, technically too much collection and you can rotate out of it with your LOWER half earlier 🙂 But even so, your timing is good and you’re… Read more »
Hi Daisy. Here is our front cross with collection cue.
@ClairePutman First one there is no collection cue associated with the completion of the front cross. Your feet are facing forward (good) but so are your shoulders (so no collection). Same with the second one. These look like a front cross with a forward send to me. Your outside arm should be up until the dog commits to the jump, your inside arm isn’t really used to cue the jump here. Again, the TURN *is* nice, no doubting that. But, the goal here is to really nail the cue combination. Take a look at the illustration for figure 7 in… Read more »
Hi, @Daisy Peel,
In case you didn’t see it (I know you have a very busy schedule and are doing a great job coaching so many pupils whilst preparing yourself and Frodo for competitions 🙂 ), here is once again our submission for this drill:
Sabine – 5 days ago
Thank you Daisy Peel, I think now I understood. Sorry for being so confused wink
So this is our video of this drill. I only did one trial for you to comment, to see if I got it right this time smile
Thank you very much!
@Sabine thanks for bumping this up. Hmm. I think you went a bit too far forward – you should be able to stop moving to the left of the frame as Dizzy is committing to two. After that, any motion should be TOWARD the camera (also toward number four). Continued motion to the left as he commits to two will just push him wider and wider after three. It’s probably easier to understand if you compare this figure to the forward motion front cross with a forward send (figure 6) – really, they should be the SAME, except for figure… Read more »
Hi, @Daisy Peel, and thank you very much for taking the time to watch and comment whilst being so busy yourself! Yes, the idea of this one as basically being the same as the one in figure 6 (only closer to #3) helps a lot. I also understand that in this case I will use right arm to cue the jump AND to draw Dizzy around the gap. But I still have no idea HOW to do this whilst my feet are facing forward toward #4. You can call me chicken again 🙂 I will delay this drill till someone… Read more »
I’ll be working on submitting my OWN videos with Chispa when I get home from Sweden 🙂
I’m looking forward to these videos, they will be very helpful, thanks 🙂
Daisy, sorry if you already did this, but I cannot find it.
I haven’t had time yet 🙁
There is only one example as I feel silly saying this but I started getting really confused about this one and the blended FC. I am pretty sure this isn’t correct, but couldn’t figure out how to fix it.
@PamAnthony don’t worry about it, and DON’T feel silly!! With the Blended FC/FC, it’s technically two FCs mushed together so you’ll end with dog on LEFT. With the FC plus collection cues, it’s one FC, so you’ll end with dog on RIGHT. THIS is actually a Front cross to BLIND cross 🙂 You do end with your dog on RIGHT, but you let your dog go behind you to accomplish it. So, with this one, you do just the one forward motion front cross. Then, instead of sending the dog forward on your right hand to three, you send forward,… Read more »
Not sure why this is so hard for me, doesn’t seem like it should be. I don’t feel like I got a lot of collection and same problem with the coming through the gap.
@PamAnthony Somehow I missed this! Ok, here goes. You need to finish the front cross earlier as your dog is taking off for 2. Make it your goal to be done with the front, toes facing 3, by the time he lifts for 2. You can be standing at 3, toes facing the jump, BUT, shoulders, head, and outside arm turned back toward the dog. See if you can do it THAT early 🙂
I’m still not sure I understand this one?
@ClairePutman you’ve got it! The first one was really nice, I think the best one. The second one was nice too but you stopped for longer and didn’t really need to. The third/last one was really good too! Your feet finish the rotation before your upper body does, and you hold on to the outside arm just a bit to help cue the collection as you finish the front cross 🙂 I like it!
Hi Daisy! So glad you’re getting ready to kick butt so I can catch up! 😀
This one is definitely tricky. I know I overfaced but was still not getting great collection because late. Poor Moo.
@Shenna Lemche Thanks for your patience while I was at AWC 🙂 Remember that collection is cued with your OUTside arm, and not your inside arm. So for this one, it should be your LEFT arm that comes up and stays up for just a bit as your dog is approaching obstacle three. And ideally, your feet are facing forward, having finished the rotation, and just your UPPER body is rotated back toward the dog. Try this one again if you get a chance 😉 Remember Linda’s notes above: if your feet are facing FORWARD as your dog is committing… Read more »
herewith 2 trials we had for this sequence:
Trial 1 :
and Trial 2 :
@dana.ruda Hmm, I think you should double check the sequence here; you should be finishing up the front cross and moving 90-degrees to your right after the third jump, not continuing…
Sorry for the delay while I was at AWC, but if you get a chance to refilm this one please do so 🙂
we did try it again :
The playlist link is a little confusing; it always starts at video 1/15. So I think the video you want me to look at is video 10/15? You’re almost there 🙂 Remember to move only in the direction you want the dog to go; you’re drifting in to your dog’s path between 2 and 3 🙂 Move in a straight line down the lane so you’re closer to jump 3 when you need to give those collection cues. Go ahead and finish the front cross with your lower body so your feet and legs are facing forward and ONLY your… Read more »
This was a tough one for us as well. For Darcy, the opposite arm is the “stop sign” so I pulled her off the jump several times. So, I added a jump cue. We got that but she went for the off course jump (I think I wasn’t turning soon enough). So, I added a “left, left” cue (our way to get a tighter turn) AND tried to turn sooner. That helped her turn towards me BUT if I waited too long to move towards the next jump, she would turn and take the off course anyway. Gaaahhhhh. This morning… Read more »
While your outside arm is your stop sign, you can soften it a bit usually so it’s more of a ‘rolling stop’ 🙂 And yes, staying SUPER focused is often the key to being able to change what you’re doing in order to get the dog to change what THEY are doing! 🙂
Daisy, here is our front cross with collection.
@Janie Peirce your rotation is quite late on this one. Remember, you should STILL be rotating in to your dog as your dog is committing to the second jump (landing the first jump)….and then just keep your outside arm up as you finish the rotation for the FC 🙂 Feel free to resubmit.
Daisy, here are some more tries. Not sure I understand yet but if any of these are getting close enough that you can explain what I’m lacking, maybe that would help.
@Janie Peirce I’m glad you posted another video! Here goes 🙂 OK, if you freeze frame at 0:03s, you’ll see that you’re only now just starting to rotate toward your dog for the forward motion front cross portion of this drill. Ideally, you’d be rotating toward your dog as your dog is landing the previous jump, instead of lifting for the second jump. Make it your goal to start the rotation as he’s lifting for the first jump, and be finished with it when he’s lifting for the second jump. Then, at 0:04s, like me, in the demo video, you’re… Read more »
Daisy, more tries! I appreciate your detailed instructions. Thanks.
@Janie Peirce Your timing on the first one was MUCH better! The second one, better than before but not as good as the first, and same with the third. The FOURTH one was also quite good, AND, the fifth one was good as well!! You’ve done a great job shifting your timing here!!!!
Daisy, thanks! Just didn’t make sense to me until your explanation.
I’m glad we kept at it!!
Hi Daisy, these were the best I could do with Blu, the ones before these he actually didn’t come through the gap at all and took the other jump, and I have put one in where I put a blind in just to get him off the other jump.
@Jenni Young While you finished the front cross with plenty of time to spare, you need to sharpen up your collection cues a bit. Make sure that you’re standing up straight, no need to lean over, and bring up your outside (right) arm as your dog is approaching jump 3. I’m not sure why he dropped the bar. Second attempt, same thing – the front cross is being finished nice and early, but there aren’t really collection cues at the finish of the combination. Third combination YES – this is IT!! You finish the front cross nice and earl and… Read more »
Front Cross with Collection Cue ( trial 1)
@Merck Salazar It looks like you survived the typhoon! I’m glad all is well and most importantly your agility field looks good! 😛 This one is a tough one – ideally you want to finish the front cross as close to the third jump as possible, and as you finish it, cue collection. This means you SHOULD be able to stop your dog right at your hand (maybe put a toy in it) so that he takes an extra step, and then the jumping arc will be tighter and less extended. Try it – do the front cross, but have… Read more »
Hello Daisy, The rainy season really affects my training program.
Thank you very much for the analysis of my run. I recognize my fault. I dig dip with your video ( fig 7) and it really amazed me. I got your point. I’m excited to practice with Carter later. ( it’s still 4 am here, hahaha.).
Although I’m still in lesson 2 with your program, I got a valuable tip that will definitely transform my old handling habit.
Excellent @Merck Salazar – every little bit helps!
Carter ( Module 2,unit 2,Front Cross with Collection Cue) trial 2
@Merck Salazar yes, I want to see him STOP in front of three. Hold a toy in your hand, and get him to actually stop (collect). He’s turning, but he’s not really altering his stride or path much 🙂