I’m a little confused with the video. At 55 seconds, it shows the same pattern but the arm is raised quicker and while the body is actually turning vs. holding arm up just a little longer in the first half? It looks more like a spin. Is that the only difference?
@sandrahaigler’s forward motion front cross is I think better than MINE in the demo video 🙂 The two are *meant* to be the same although there will of course be small variations from attempt to attempt. It *should* be the case that, as Linda suggests, I’m farther ahead of my dog, and my shoulder rotation should start SOONER. Basically, I’M LATE. I *should* be bringing up my outside arm and showing shoulder rotation toward my dog as soon as he has committed to the previous obstacle, and if you look, I’m not doing it til he’s almost LIFTING for the… Read more »
Yes, got it, thanks!
Uh oh. Now I see that we are supposed to post videos here! This is Spiff, lesson 1.
No worries @Sandra Haigler – I reviewed your video on the previous page 🙂
Wow. Nice work. What a lovely place you have in which to practice!
I know @vheffalump it’s really pretty!
Hi, Daisy, here is our first attempt on forward motion fc. You were talking about making us think outside the box and I didn’t know that you would be THAT right, from the very start of this course 🙂 Actually I already found out two things, first that I’m regularily executing FCs without even thinking about how and when and second, that I obviously never ever am doing FCs “on the run” like that. Left alone to my own decision, I would have definitely tried a blind cross when confrontated with that sequence. I rather exclusively do FCs when I… Read more »
@Sabine the forward motion front cross is DEFINITELY tricky one to master, and frankly, these days, most of the time you’d probably be able to do a blind cross instead of the front cross 🙂 BUT, it’s still a skill worth having! You will need to make sure you’re a bit further ahead of Dizzy, AND, as you noticed, avoid moving in to his line. You may find that doing this rotation on a board, or plank, will help YOU learn how to rotate without falling off the line. It’s hard! The second trial looked much better than the first.… Read more »
Thank you, great feedback, and very helpful! Yes, I will definitely practice footwork without Dizzy and using a plank is an excellent suggestion (you won’t want to see the video, though 😉 Great insight on trial 5, now, as you point it out so clearly and I rewatched the video in slow motion I also see and understand why Dizzy missed jump #3 (and perfectly followed my bad timed handling cues, good boy!) So, using that information, I would try to be not that far ahead of Dizzy and start the rotation early enough to face Dizzy when he takes… Read more »
Yes, @Sabine you only need to be ‘ahead enough’ of Dizzy, not too far ahead! And, the rotation should start as he’s committing to the first jump, certainly by the time he is in the air over the first jump. You don’t need to FINISH the rotation til he’s landing the second jump. That’s what makes this challenging; the need to stretch out the rotation as you take several steps down the field. If you wanted to push to the back of the #3 jump, then you’d want to FINISH the rotation by the time he landed the first jump,… Read more »
Thank you @Daisy Peel, awesome explanation 🙂
My real life trainers don’t favour fc’s, they just don’t think them “fancy” enough, but I begin to understand that there’s much more to it then I used to think. It just needs lots of practice 🙂
Pish posh – there’s no such thing as ‘fancy’ – really, anything fancy is just a very precise and clever application of the fundamentals. Understanding those fundamentals is like understanding the ingredients in your kitchen cupboard. If you know HOW to use them you can create all kinds of ‘fancy’ recipes…but they all use the same ingredients 🙂
i have it set up with the equipment I have. Will film tomorrow but i am just toooo slow on the front cross.
It’s ok, the forward motion front cross is one of the hardest cue combinations to do well – even my demo video doesn’t show it done perfectly 🙂
No problem @sandy-sanders – this one is pretty challenging; even my demo isn’t perfect! Always room for improvement 🙂
i think I am way below this course or had to take to much time off do to the heat in AZ. We can finally work at 5am and after 7 at night as it is below 100 then. Have not done much all summer as was too hot. I am definitely losing connection and not fast enough. I lost his enthusiasm on the 4th try could be the temp rising any suggestions.
@sandy-sanders I don’t think you’re way below this course! You just need to choose a different visual cue to tell you when to rotate 🙂 Lead out a little further before you release, and watch for your dog to lift for the first jump. As he’s lifting for the first jump, you should already be passing the second jump, rotating 🙂 By the time he lifts for the second jump, you should be FINISHED with the front cross and waiting for him in a location that helps him take the third jump. A common mistake is to try to get… Read more »
No problem – if you get a chance, film it again with the recommended adjustments. I’m guessing it will be a LOT better! These are just little tweaks, nothing major. You’ll see. It can be difficult to change your timing but use the visual landmarks I suggested and that will help.
Oh my, late AND in her way!
@Janie Peirce So happy to be watching your videos again! Yes, I think you’re right, pretty late, and moving in the wrong direction on that first one. I’m going to give you a new mantra – start cuing the next jump as soon as the dog has committed to the PREVIOUS jump. This means that as soon as she has committed, and DEFINITELY by the time she has LIFTED for that first jump, you should be rotating for the second jump. You also need to make sure you’re moving in a straight line down the field and not dipping in… Read more »
So none of this is pretty. I can’t dance and I don’t think I can do a moving front cross either , but this is very helpful, I just think I am going to need a lot more practice. Not sure, if maybe I need to practice on a plank as you suggested to someone else? I started out sending to tunnel, but then decided I needed a few repetitions with him starting from a stay at jump 1, then I went back to the send to the tunnel. He looked like he slipped when landing jump 2 several times… Read more »
@PamAnthony yes this type of FC is *tough*. I honestly don’t DO that many of them on course these days, because I’m doing primarily international type courses. However, you will DEFINITELY need this as a skill on AKC courses, as well as USDAA, CPE, and any other course that tends toward tighter and curvier 🙂 Big long sprinting courses…not as much. Then, the forward motion BLIND cross will be the better choice. I’m sure he’s still figuring out all this stuff and having to watch you and the jumps is a lot to juggle! That’s part of why this set… Read more »
Thank you, Daisy. A few hundred more and I might be consistent. But love being able to work different handling options off of same setup making it easier to go back and rework stuff.
here is our work for Lesson 1.
I did also a single blind cross between #3 and #4 somehow i have to film it again and send it i do not have it in the camera.
Dana and Ozzy
PUSH AT 3 – What I can see looks good although you slipped off camera for a moment 🙁 Even so, your dog looks perfectly comfortable with it, and that’s a good thing! SINGLE FRONT CROSS – This is the forward motion front cross. Your attempt looks like my demo; LATE 🙂 You’ll want to try again, and make sure you start the rotation for the front cross by the time the dog is lifting for the first jump. You should still be ahead; your location is fine. You’ll FINISH the rotation up at the third jump, but you’ll start… Read more »
Forward motion Front Cross
Here a new trial of us, we did work it again and i succeed to be a bit quicker than in the last one (i think) :
Daisy here are a few moving FXs. Mostly they are late! I can easily see it on the video. One of them – maybe the last – was a bit better cuz I lead out more. I’d like to blame it on the fact that I’m running uphill but I don’t think I can :/
Oh crap. I wasn’t supposed to mark as complete until I heard back from you. I wanted to see the next stuff! Sorry.
No worries @Kerry Stevenson I’m working on your videos now 🙂
@Kerry Stevenson Running uphill definitely makes things more challenging!! Exciting to see you and Harli in action!!! Seems like she was just a puppy yesterday 🙂 First FMFC – yes, you’re late 🙂 But, that’s not good enough to just say you’re late. You’ve got to shift your focus here. Instead of timing the rotation to jump #2, time it to jump #1 – as soon as you see her in the air over that first jump, START ROTATING as you continue to run forward. By the time you get things going, she’ll BE at #2 🙂 Even my demo… Read more »
Oh Daisy. There are days when I should just stick a fork in myself cuz I’m done. Yesterday was one of those days. Before I realized how this whole thing worked, I did the video you saw. Then, I went back and did several FXs in one video and my plan was to then do several blinds, pushes, etc. and attach them to each relevant module. Sigh.
I liked your idea to start rotating when she is in the air over jump one. I’ll try that. Meanwhile here are my other FX attempts:
@Kerry Stevenson Your videographer needs to have you in the frame at all times; I can’t tell in the first view if you’re moving in to that position or starting from where you finish the FC.
However – good news – the last TWO, when the camera angle changed and you’re in motion…those were GREAT!!! Very nicely done on those ones 🙂
Ha ha. My mom was the videographer and these were her best ones :). She tried. Thanks for the positive feedback. FXs have always been hard for me. I’ve been working on them for 18 years and still haven’t quite mastered them.
This one is tough. And frankly, it’s avoidable, at least on stretched out FCI style courses. The BC is more likely the better choice more often. However, on AKC style courses, the Forward Motion Front Cross is typically the better choice than a blind, given the spacing 🙂
Hi Daisy. Here’s our Front Cross.
@ClairePutman The timing of your rotation is pretty good; you’re starting it as your dog is landing the previous jump. However, when you rotate, you’re also moving in to your dog’s path instead of continuing on a straight line. It’s a drunken forward motion front cross, LOL. If you look at the videos of others, you’ll see you’re not alone! Rotating and staying on the line you intend to be on is not as easy as it looks!! So, if you get a chance, try this again after you’ve walked it a few times, then run it a few times… Read more »
Ok finally got to have a go with the FMFC I feel we did ok I haven’t done a lot of front cross work with him. Daisy I noticed you went deeper into the tunnel, I stayed back a bit as if I try to race him he extends those legs really bad out behind him.
@Jenni Young Your timing in ALL of these is better than my demonstration video, where I’m late just about every time 🙂 You’re rotating for the second jump as he’s over the first jump, and he picks up the line quite nicely every single time. These looked good! It’s fine to stay back a bit, you don’t have to go so far in to the tunnel if you’ve got a nice send BUT you may be artificially ahead; would you be so far ahead on a course in competition? If so, no worries. But if not you may want to… Read more »
Thank you Daisy, I have a really good send with him so I think yes I would be that far ahead on the course, he is really independent with the right amount of handler focus I think if I get a chance I just may test myself and go a little deeper…
Let’s see some sprinting ! 🙂
Hi Daisy. Hopefully this looks better.
I am not sure why Andy kept knocking the bar at 4. The ground kind of went down right at his takeoff off spot or maybe I was crowding him? I moved everything over to smoother ground and I also held up a little before 4. (Decel)
I think that helped but maybe you see something?
@ClairePutman The first one looks pretty good – your timing with the rotation of your body and outside arm is good! Just a little dipping off your line (a little drunk, LOL) but really nothing too serious. Something to be mindful of though. There are probably a couple of things happening here. It looks like he’s taking a little half step before he lifts, so it may well be that the spacing, or the dip in the ground, is contributing. Also, and this may be more likely, this particular jumping effort seems to give a lot of dogs trouble. Technically… Read more »
Oh wow. That’s makes sense. I will try that. I bet that’s it. Thank you.
I have looked at all of the videos posted and it seems to me that the moving FC is a good option IF the handler can get a little past the 2nd jump while the dog it going over the 1st one. So, those who sent to the tunnel first seemed to do better. For those who started at the jump, as they added speed to get ahead to do the cross, they are actually cueing their dogs to also go faster. And, because they are running straight, they are cueing their dog to jump in extension. So, I’m thinking… Read more »
@lisaagraham absolutely. Spot on. This move is HARD and you have to be far enough ahead for it to work. That’s where a good tunnel send comes in handy! Excellent on you for pointing these things out, you’re dead on 🙂
Hiya! Hopefully these aren’t too late for some review. I was in a car accident right after the class started and can only actually run again today.
I thought we did FXs well but as soon as I tried to run the ‘mid course’ option we really bombed. I ended up dumping the tunnel but then it was too simple. I see my line is off too.
Shenna and Moo
@Shenna Lemche thanks for your patience. No, not too late, of course! I’m really sorry to hear about the car accident. I hope things are back on track now? I commented on another video this morning and will be eager to hear how things improve (the push). The forward motion front cross is HARD. I’ve suggested to several other folks to try it without your dog, in slow motion, on a plank or 2×6″ board on the ground. Do it slow, til you can do it comfortably, fluidly, and without any worry that you’ll fall off the plank 🙂 I’m… Read more »
I rented the ring and set up my IPAD since I didn’t have anyone to film for me. We did about 4-5 run throughs with the front, blind and the outside push and then I realized it wasn’t video taping. UGH! So this is our next run through the front, blind and the outside line so Piper is a little slow but thought that you could critique for us. I’ve also got video from this weekend’s show that I’m hoping you’ll comment on as well. I’ll put these up too in case you have time to look at them. Piper… Read more »
Hi there @CarlaBaker – thanks goodness for tripods!! And yes, I feel your pain with the technology, I’ve totally done that same thing 🙁 Feel free to post your video, however, you’ll need to update the video URL above as it isn’t a workable link. The direct link to the video rather than to the review page is what you’ll want to post. Cheers 🙂
@Merck Salazar This is NICE! Much better than your last submission. Nice straight line on the forward motion front cross AND the forward motion blind cross. The push is lovely as well; nice straight line there. And the blind! Much much better with the forward motion front and blind cross. Those two, especially the front, produce really common errors of moving in to the dog’s path when you don’t want to, and you’ve done a great job here staying on a straight line. Looks like you opened things up a bit too, he’s got some more room between one and… Read more »
@Merck Salazar I think you can rotate a bit earlier for the blind cross in this video – the first one. The line is nice on the first one BUT you don’t make the arm/side change til he’s lifting for jump 2. Try to start that change as he’s landing jump ONE. 🙂 He needs to see the change before he commits to the jump you’re changing after. With the second one, you got a bit too far ahead, I think, and it looked like you were going to be doing a forward motion FRONT cross (rotating in to him… Read more »